Legend specs type1 & type2 max output...

[Gothche]

I found this site and found the specs quite interesting.
Type1 and type2 owners have always tried to prove that one was quicker than the other(even though it's a fact that type2 is fastest) and the type1 owners have always used the torque arguement as their golden trick because type1 has a higher torque output though at lower rpm.
Now this site tells us that the Engine Torque at Max. Engine Power rpm is actually pretty much the same for the two engines and that's something I have never seen on paper before.
It must be for the Japanese Legends since it's called Honda, even though the type2 has the 6-spd, but it's exactly the same numbers for our acura Legends.

Legend type1 5-spd manual: http:
http://eng.motorsporlari.net/car/tec...284&make=Honda

Legend type2 6-spd manual:
http://eng.motorsporlari.net/car/tec...318&make=Honda

So that makes the type2 engines powerband much more effective even though it's wider.

Don't know if this info is useless, but I found it interesting.

[Quaraxkad]

Huh? What are you suggesting?

I think you misunderstood what people say is benefit of the Type 1 engine: It has more torque in the lower RPM ranges, but both engines still have roughly the same peak torque.

EDIT: Oh, I see what you mean, but what does that prove?

[Gothche]

I'm not trying to prove anything, just thought it would be interesting for people to see the specs (stock and new). I was just giving my thoughts on the powerbands of the two versions of the engine.
And no the two don't have the same peak torque, but the same torque at their peak power.
I know that the talk about torque is often more about the feeling in low rpm but still these numbers look nice.
What I mean by saying the type2 powerband is more effective is that it has less loss in torque.

[Quaraxkad]

Originally Posted by Gothche

And no the two don't have the same peak torque, but the same torque at their peak power.

They're close enough that it makes practically no difference.

Originally Posted by Gothche

What I mean by saying the type2 powerband is more effective is that it has less loss in torque.

A couple numbers here and there doesn't mean anything. You need to see the entire the picture before you can say which is better. All the numbers shown on those two pages are above 4400RPM (with most being over 5500), which is relatively useless unless you're on a track. Even 1000 peak HP is useless if it's got 50hp for 90% of the RPM range.

[the_professional]

Still love my Type I... she moves until 120. I rarely go above 120, so the 160 top speed is negligable. & like Quaraxkad stated how often & how long do our engines rev above 5500 RPM, pretty rare. No disrespect, but I feel that the Type II is very over rated, not numbers wise, but basically everywhere its talked of. I've driven both, and the Type I definatly sticks with the Type II 0-70, & you can call it blasphemy, but my "butt dyno" seems to prefer the type I, it seems to move better thru the low RPM range while the Type II seems a little weighted. All in preference, but I myself believe the Type I is a better balanced engine. But give me a 3.5 & that will kill the 3.2.

[Gothche]

I was not trying to get an arguement started here, I was just saying that the powerband (max torque to max power) was more effecient for the type2.
If we are talking about speed and power you will have to go above 5000 anyway if you want to use the power available in the Legend no matter if it's a type1 or type2. If you are going from 0-60 and want to be fast, you will have to go way up in rpm, that's just how our engines work. So when I wanna go fast from 0-60 I will go to about 5500-6200 in each gear before shifting, then my type2 Legend coupe is very fast, but you are right you won't do that when doing daily driving.
Once again to make it clear I wasn't trying to start an arguement about which type is best. I was just pointing out the powerband is wider and more effecient in the type2(less loss of torque at max power). And max power at high rpm has nothing to do with top speed, since it's in every gear you will use the wide powerband if you wanna be powerful. You can't reach top speed in 2nd gear can you? you know what I mean.
Type1 is just as good as type2, it's just not as fast and powerful, but that wasn't my point.
Just a link to some interesting numbers(Engine Torque at Max. Engine Power) I had not seen before.

[the_professional]

I understand, but come on any reference to a comparison between a Type I & Type II will lead this. I can agree with you that the Type II is faster but I can't agree saying it's more powerful. We may have differing definitions of what essentially is "powerful", but torque to me is power. But in order to gain horsepower, restrictions have to be minimalized, and that is the theory of the type II, increase horsepower by reducing restrictions with a higher flowing exhaust, bigger valves, higher flowing intake manifold. With reducing restrictions, you are reducing back pressure, which in many engines, such as ours this reduces torque.
I really wish we had info on the 0-60 times for both engines, as I honestly don't think the Type II can better the Type I to 60. Trust me I want to be proven wrong... I would love to see a 95 LS Auto stacked against a GS. Or a 92 Coupe against a 93 coupe, something like that. I just feel that the Type II is over hyped with little results in comparison to the Type I. I know for a fact TII will beat the TI to 100, but I don't know about the 0-60 comparison.

[DevanTheDude]

One of the events at this year's Nalm was a drag racing at Rocky mountain raceways. Lots of Legends ran- auto's, 6-speeds, type 2's, even a 3.5.

When it was all over, the last 2 Legends standing were me and Vic. Both 91' type 1's.

The 3.5 was way faster than everyone, but he couldn't figure out the staging lights, so he was disqualified.

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Having a JDM T1 Auto VS MY T2 6SPD Clearly the type2 just Rapes the T1. The torque of my 91 is more evident down low but NO COMPARISON between which has the most usable power throughout the Whole range of power.

[Vic Cardenas]

Originally Posted by DevanTheDude

One of the events at this year's Nalm was a drag racing at Rocky mountain raceways. Lots of Legends ran- auto's, 6-speeds, type 2's, even a 3.5.

When it was all over, the last 2 Legends standing were me and Vic. Both 91' type 1's.

The 3.5 was way faster than everyone, but he couldn't figure out the staging lights, so he was disqualified.

Yes, I am a '91 type I, but only the heads..... Cams and IM are Type II.
I was also running some kind of Telion Type I chip and FPR. (I just confused everybody)

And Devan, you have a Type II IM!!!

BTW, my coupe rapes my wifes sedan (type I) ,she has an intake and a chip.